Jonathan Leeman & Mark Dever · 9Marks
Practical conversations on the local church, preaching, and ministry.
Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.
Episodes
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Mar 24, 2026 · 27 min
Jonathan talks to Reuben Bredenhof, author of The Ministry of Small Things. They consider the ordinary ministry of pastors, focusing on all the small things they must be faithful to, and reflect on the temptation of pastoral cynicism.
Mar 17, 2026 · 28 min
If Jesus is the great deacon, what does that say about the office of deacon in our churches? Jonathan sits down with Larry Lazarus to discuss why it is important for churches to know the job descriptions of deacons.
Mar 10, 2026 · 30 min
Have you ever wondered why it's important for congregations to know their pastor's job description according to the Bible? Jonathan sits down with his senior pastor, Larry Lazarus, to consider this question.
Mar 3, 2026 · 25 min
Mark talks to H.B. Charles Jr. on ministerial calling and how he prepares for preaching.
Feb 24, 2026 · 23 min
Mark sits down with H.B. Charles Jr. to talk about his ministerial journey and how God has used him.
Feb 17, 2026 · 50 min
Is there a doctrine of religious liberty in the Bible? Mark and Jonathan talk with Andrew Walker on how to think about this question.
Feb 10, 2026 · 32 min
On this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk with Matt Rhodes about his new book, Persecution in Missions.
Feb 3, 2026 · 52 min
On this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan invite Stephen Yuille and Caleb Morell to talk about the writing of John Cotton, focusing on his perspective on Congregationalism.
Jan 27, 2026 · 21 min
How should christians think about protests that stop church services? Mark and Jonathan talk about the recent disruption that happened at St. Paul Church.
Jan 20, 2026 · 41 min
Mark and Jonathan talk to Jimmy Scroggins about similarities and difference on how 9Marks' principle apply in a mega church context.
Dec 10, 2025 · 22 min
Mark and Jonathan sit down and review this past year by talking about the transition and sharing a top 10 list of things 9Marks did.
Dec 2, 2025 · 22 min
How should people in ministry relate to boredom and the nature of repetition? Mark and Jonathan talk about the good and the concerns on how we relate to those things. You can enter the giveaway at mbts.edu/pastorstalk
Nov 25, 2025 · 31 min
As a pastor, talking to the church about money and the budget could be difficult for several reasons. In this episode Jonathan and Mark talk to Jamie Dunlop about his experience when he talks to the church about the budget.
Nov 18, 2025 · 26 min
Does the Bible require pastors to officiate weddings? How should we think about christian marriage ceremonies? In this episode Mark and Jonathan discuss the practice of weddings.
Nov 4, 2025 · 30 min
Mark and Jonathan talk with Taylor Hartley on the new issue of Church Matters and on the Ordinances.
Oct 14, 2025 · 27 min
Finally! After 300 episodes we cover the topic of Congregationalism. Mark and Jonathan discuss the biblical evidence and its helpfulness for the life of the church
Oct 7, 2025 · 31 min
Mark and Jonathan talk to Aaron and Harshit about their book Prioritizing Missions in the Church and how important it is for the life of the church.
Sep 30, 2025 · 25 min
Mark and Jonathan talk to Vinicius Musselman Pimentel about christianity in Brazil and book publishing.
Sep 23, 2025 · 47 min
How is prison ministry done and how does it connect to the local church? Can you have a church inside of a prison? Jonathan Leeman interviews Jamey Norman and Sean DeMars.
Sep 16, 2025 · 28 min
Mark and Jonathan talk to John Musyimi about the release and the content of the Africa Statement on Prosperity Gospel and Word of Faith Theology.
Sep 9, 2025 · 28 min
Mark and Jonathan talk to Issam about the state of Christianity in Lebanon.
Sep 2, 2025 · 28 min
Mark and Jonathan interview John Folmar and Scott Logsdon on their new Church-Centered Missions book Prioritizing the Church in Missions.
Aug 26, 2025 · 36 min
Mark and Jonathan talk to Zach and Garrett on how they seek to love their wives well while pastoring their churches.
Aug 19, 2025 · 32 min
On this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark about his friendship with John MacArthur.
Jun 3, 2025 · 1 min
Jonathan selects two winners for the 300th episode giveaway!
May 27, 2025 · 25 min
In the last few decades France has become more secular. In this episode, Mark and Jonathan interview pastor Matthieu Giralt about the state of Christianity and his personal church experience.
May 20, 2025 · 44 min
To celebrate the 300th episode milestone, Mark and Jonathan answer some of the questions that were submitted by the community.
May 13, 2025 · 33 min
There are many "Christians"communities out there, but do they proclaim the biblical gospel? Mark and Jonathan talk to Josh Waldner who grew up in a Hutterites colony.
May 6, 2025 · 26 min
Why did Alex duke write From Eden to Egypt? Mark and Jonathan interview Alex on the burden behind the book.
Apr 29, 2025 · 26 min
Jonathan and Mark share how they structure their libraries and also discuss how much importance pastors should give to their libraries.
Apr 22, 2025 · 30 min
There are seasons in a pastor's life when they could feel spiritually dry. In this episode, Mark and Jonathan, alongside 2 friends, think practically about what to do in those seasons.
Apr 15, 2025 · 38 min
Jonathan talks to Samuel James about an article he wrote and together consider how maturity should look like inside of the church in light of the times we live in.
Apr 8, 2025 · 24 min
Mark and Jonathan talk about the pastor's personal evangelism and consider how to carefully think about how we should relate to it. Related Resources: Evangelism by Mack Stiles How Do I Get Started in Evangelism? by Mack Stiles What If…
Apr 1, 2025 · 31 min
Mark and Jonathan talk to the author of A Light on the Hill, which tells the history of a church 5 blocks from the US Capitol: Capitol Hill Baptist Church.
Mar 25, 2025 · 30 min
Are there other qualifications for considering men as elders aside from the Bible's? In this episode Jonathan and Mark discuss what other things could be considered when nominating elders.
Mar 18, 2025 · 30 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about the good desire some pastors have to write outside of church ministry and how to think about it. Subscribe to our new podcast, A Storm in the Desert, here:…
Mar 11, 2025 · 27 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk with the President of Poiema (a Spanish publisher) about the state of Christianity in Colombia.
Mar 4, 2025 · 21 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Caleb Morell interviews Mark Dever about some general practices of his private prayer life. Subscribe to our new podcast, A Storm in the Desert.
Feb 25, 2025 · 29 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman discuss a way to possibly run your church staff. Subscribe to our new podcast: A Storm in the Desert
Feb 21, 2025 · 22 min
Introducing a new podcast from 9Marks—A Storm in the Desert. In 1972, at the base of a Swiss mountain, God saved a man named Mack Stiles. Two decades later, John Folmar “accepted Jesus as his personal Savior”; he doesn’t know even where…
Feb 18, 2025 · 28 min
Can one belong before believing? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Caleb Morell discuss the evangelistic power of exclusivity. Subscribe to our new podcast, A Storm in the Desert.
Feb 11, 2025 · 33 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about service reviews. What is it? What do you talk about during service reviews? What if some feedback is too harsh? Mark Dever shares how the lead pastor can utilize…
Feb 4, 2025 · 33 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman interviews Alex Duke and Alberto Jaquez about A Storm in the Desert, a new podcast series by 9Marks. Subscribe to our new podcast, A Storm in the Desert, here:…
Dec 17, 2024 · 23 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Eric Yee, lead pastor of Harvest Mission Community Church of Jakarta, about Christianity in Indonesia.
Dec 10, 2024 · 27 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk again about the nuts and bolts of pastoral internship in a local church.
Dec 3, 2024 · 27 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman chat about how pastors can be both convictional and charitable.
Nov 26, 2024 · 35 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about pastoral internships
Nov 19, 2024 · 20 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about small groups and how they can help the church while it not being an essential part of what a church is.
Nov 5, 2024 · 28 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about how sound ecclesiology protects the gospel in a local church.
Oct 29, 2024 · 28 min
In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman talk about how to lead inductive bible studies.
